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Transcript: Nikki Haley on "Face the Nation," September 3, 2023_我的网站

A |     中新社北京8月24日电 题：专家析两岸交流：多点回暖、韧性更强          　　中新社记者 李百加          　　2026年开年以来，两岸交流持续走暖。

B |     The following is a transcript of an interview with former ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley, a 2024 GOP presidential candidate, that aired on "Face the Nation" on September 3, 2023. 

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ROBERT COSTA: Good morning, Ambassador Haley.NIKKI HALEY: Good morning, Bob. Great to be with you.      ROBERT COSTA: Ambassador, let's begin with Senator Mitch McConnell, the Republican leader who appeared to freeze up before cameras in recent days for the second time in two months. His doctor then issued a statement saying McConnell, who was hospitalized earlier this year after a fall, is able to continue to work. "Occasional lightheadedness is not uncommon in concussion recovery," the doctor wrote. Ambassador, you said this in recent days, the Senate is "the most privileged nursing home in the country." And McConnell needs to "know when to leave." Do you believe it's time for McConnell to step down from his leadership position?HALEY: Bob, I am completely for term limits. I'm completely for mental competency tests for anyone over the age of 75. And I'm not saying that to be disrespectful. Here you have Mitch McConnell, who's done great service to the country. You have Dianne Feinstein who had a great career. You've got Nancy Pelosi, who's been there a long time. At what point do they get it's time to leave? They need to let a younger generation take over. We want to go and start working for our kids to make sure we have a strong national security, to make sure we have a stronger economic policy, to make sure that America is safe. And we can't do that if these individuals refuse to give up power. This is not just a Republican or Democrat problem. This is a congressional problem. And they've got to know when to leave it, it's time to pass this down to a new generation of conservative leaders that want to take our country to a better place.                 ROBERT COSTA: So just to be clear, when Republican senators come back to Washington, should they have a leadership shakeup on the table? And should they talk about potentially having somebody else come in as the leader in the Senate?HALEY: I want this for Republicans and Democrats. I want to make sure that they all know it's time to go. There's a reason the American people want term limits. It's because they don't want people staying there forever. They don't want people drunk on the power. They don't want people to think they're the only ones that know how to run Congress. Because right now, what has Congress done for you lately? We have an open border that's out of control, they're spending like drunken sailors. We've got continued issues, whether it comes with education, whether it comes with the debt, whether it comes with how we're going to have national security. We need people at the top of their game. We have too many issues on the table that need to be dealt with. We can't continue to have these people who think they know better than the American people, the American people are saying it is time to go. If they would approve term limits, the American people would show that. But until then, they've got to know that, look, we appreciate your service, but it's time to step away.ROBERT COSTA: So you've talked about competency tests. But let's dig a little deeper on that. There are age requirements for serving in the house, 25 years old, 30 for the Senate, 35 for the presidency. Should there be an age limit on the presidency in your view, and maybe a constitutional change or legislative change?HALEY: I think there should be mental competency tests and I don't care if they're for everybody 50 and older. I don't care if they're for the entire Congress. These are basic tests, Bob. These are tell us where you were born, name four words that start with the same letter. How many grandchildren do you have? These are basic questions that anyone should be able to answer. And the way you do that is just when a candidate files to run for office, incumbent or newcomer, they have to give their financial disclosures. They should also give a notice from the doctor that tells about their mental capacity. I think that we need that. We can't stand watching Dianne Feinstein sit there and be told by an aide how she should vote. We can't worry about Mitch McConnell being frozen at a podium. We can't have Joe Biden forget where he is. Our enemies are watching all of this. And every time they have an instance like that, America is less safe because our enemies think we're out of control. And that's gotta stop.                      ROBERT COSTA: You talked about spending. In just a few weeks there's an important spending deadline in Washington, a potential government shutdown looms if they don't come up with a spending agreement to keep the government funded. Do you believe Republicans should take a hard line and what exactly should they do with this looming?HALEY: Well, I think Congress needs to do their job. You know, Biden has pushed us into- into socialism light. He's spending on every single thing and they've forgotten the role of government. Government was intended to secure the rights and freedoms of the people. It was never meant to be all things to all people. So as we go into this, I have said that Biden has spent already $5 trillion in his term, but Republicans have spent too. We've watched them open up earmarks for the first time in 10 years, we've watched the 2024 appropriations bill has 7.4 billion in earmarks. Democrats have 2.8 billion in earmarks. So all of them are spending like drunken sailors and it's our tax dollars that they're spending. What we're saying is, I had to balance a budget when I was governor of South Carolina, Americans have to balance their budget at home. Why is Congress the only group that refuses to balance a budget? They need to go in there and do the hard work. They need to make sure that they are giving money back to the taxpayers, they must make sure that money is not being wasted. So I think they need to do their job.ROBERT COSTA: The question though, Ambassador, is what exactly should they do in terms of the negotiating position they take? For example, Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia has just said in recent days, that Republicans should not vote to fund the government unless an impeachment inquiry begins against President Biden inside of the House of Representatives. Is she right? Or Is she wrong to take that position?HALEY: She's one of many that are going to throw things on the table like that. What I'm saying is Congress needs to do their job. Balance a budget. I have said I will veto any spending bill that doesn't take us back to pre-COVID levels. The only group that talks about closing down the government or playing these games are members of Congress. The American people aren't talking about that. The American people are telling Congress, do your job, balance a budget, stop the spending, stop the borrowing, eliminate the earmarks, clawback the hundreds of billions of dollars of unspent COVID dollars. Go after, instead of 87,000 IRS agents going after middle America, go after the hundreds of billions of dollars of COVID fraud that we know exist. These political games, the American people have no- no use for it. They just want them to do their job, it's not that hard. It's why I continue to say we've got way too many lawyers in Congress. We need an accountant. I'm an accountant. That's why I want to put an end to this and start having government work for the people again.ROBERT COSTA: Over the past week, former President Donald Trump, the front runner in the race, he pleaded not guilty to criminal accusations in Georgia. When you were on that debate stage in Milwaukee, which has earned you some good reviews inside of the party- inside of the Republican party, you raised your hand and said you would still support him if he was convicted of a crime and the nominee next year. Do you stand by your decision to hold up your hand on stage and back Trump? Should he be the nominee and be a convicted felon?HALEY: What you saw were candidates on that stage said that they would do exactly what they signed and pledged to do which is support the Republican nominee. That's what we are saying. I don't think President Trump's going to be the nominee. I think it's going to be me. But I will tell you that any Republican is better than what Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are doing. ROBERT COSTA: Even if they're convicted of a crime?                      HALEY: We know that a vote for Joe Biden is a vote for a President Kamala Harris. It- first of all, he's innocent until proven guilty. But you are implying that the American people are not smart. The American people are not going to vote for a convicted criminal. The American people are going to vote for someone who can win a general election. I have faith in the American people. They know what they need to do. And so, I think that, yes, I will support the Republican nominee always and I will make sure that that person, we're going to pick someone that's going to beat a president Kamala Harris. Because we can't have a President Kamala Harris or we'll never get our country back.ROBERT COSTA: How are you going to consolidate quickly the non-Trump vote in this primary? We're at now in September just months away from the early voting.HALEY: It's not about consolidating a non-Trump vote. It's about consolidating where Republicans want to go. I believe Republicans want to stop the crazy spending. I believe Republicans want to bring crime down and go back to law and order. I believe Republicans want transparency in schools. I believe Republicans want to secure the border. And I believe Republicans want to prevent war and have a strong national security. That's what we're talking about. It's not about a person, it's about a country. And it's not just about Republicans. It's about independents. It's about conservative Democrats that know that we're going in the wrong direction.ROBERT COSTA: Ambassador Haley, we'll see you soon on the campaign trail. We really appreciate you taking the time on a Sunday morning. Thank you.                                  。1至6月，两岸人员往来311.9万人次，同比增长22.1%，其中台胞来大陆285万人次，同比增长24.9%。厦门大学台湾研究院两岸关系研究所所长唐桦近日接受中新社专访时介绍，回暖趋势在多点位体现。

C |          　　半年多时间里，“首来”西进蔚为风潮。这一现象由陈之汉、钟明轩等台湾“网红”带动发酵，2026年持续扩散，尤其不少青年、“首来族”加入其中。

D |                         　　唐桦分析，“首来族”愿意来到大陆旅行、交流，一方面是“网红”传递讯息，打破固有信息茧房；另一方面，台胞往来两岸享有更多便利，形成实实在在的吸引力。在此过程中，不少“首来族”将见闻、经历发布至线上，形成良性循环。唐桦说，“这有助于推动两岸关系的民意基础朝积极方向发展。”          　　半年多时间里，寻亲故事重新涌现。

E | 台湾演员林典璋手持一纸残谱发布短视频，经网友接力，最终寻根至广东汕头澄海林氏家庙。台湾青年廖祥麟发布寻亲帖文，数小时内寻找到大陆亲人。         　　有别于数十年来多依赖熟人圈层、官方机构的寻亲方式，唐桦指出，当事人如今趋向于在社交媒体发布诉求，依靠平台扩散方式接续亲缘，呈现出主体年轻化、传播平台化、参与全民化的特点，“这一过程也让大众看见海峡两岸亲情重联的更多可能”。         　　半年多时间里，影视交流更趋活跃。《逐玉》《给阿嬷的情书》等大陆影视作品在台湾热度走高，围绕剧情的讨论、二次创作持续延伸。

F | 两岸影视业者在微短剧、电影等领域的交流互动也更加频繁。         　　大陆影视作品收获台湾民众喜爱，唐桦认为，最重要的原因是两岸在“生活内容、节奏，审美偏好和文化脉搏上共振”。大陆影视产业体量增长、题材供给多元，也催生许多贴合台湾观众文化需求的作品。         　　今年两岸影视合作热度提升，主要推动力来自大陆释放的政策利好。唐桦分析，大陆4月发布十项促进两岸交流合作的政策措施，其中涉及开放引进优质台湾影视内容、支持台湾业者多方式参与大陆微短剧创作，“大大降低了台湾影视人才进入大陆的门槛”。         　　半年多时间里，学术交流走向深入。相较往年，两岸学者在各地研讨时，更多围绕和平统一等议题展开深入讨论。         　　在唐桦看来，这与台海形势变化密切相关。

G | “大陆综合实力不断增强，中美关系呈现新的发展态势，统一的各方面条件在不断累积。”          　　她提及，中国社会科学院台湾研究所所长、全国台湾研究会副会长朱卫东8月上旬在江苏提出“统一三段论”分析框架，引发学界关注。“以此为代表的一批学术新观点，把统一从一个遥远的目标变成了可讨论的进程。”          　　唐桦观察，与官方、大型的交流活动相比，如今的两岸交流形态具有更强的自主性与韧性，“扎根民间、贴近基层的交流，或将成为未来一段时期两岸交往的常态。”(完) 【编辑:何颖】。

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